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The power of the Christian Church as a ... political institution has declined ... to near irrelevance ... in most of the developed world.
Contrast to a time when the church ... was the dominant power.
The church can no longer make ... law. Even if it makes law, it has no ... police ... to enforce its law.
Submission to the church is ... voluntary. Submission to the state is ... mandatory.
If you break the State's laws ... the State can punish you ... even put you to ...death.
If you break church law the most the church can ... do is ... kick you out of the church. If they kick you out, you no longer ... contribute any money to them. LOL!
Without the power of ... violence ... to enforce its way, the church sinks into ... irrelevance.
Contrast to a time when the church ... was the dominant power.
The church can no longer make ... law. Even if it makes law, it has no ... police ... to enforce its law.
Submission to the church is ... voluntary. Submission to the state is ... mandatory.
If you break the State's laws ... the State can punish you ... even put you to ...death.
If you break church law the most the church can ... do is ... kick you out of the church. If they kick you out, you no longer ... contribute any money to them. LOL!
Without the power of ... violence ... to enforce its way, the church sinks into ... irrelevance.
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Re: religion and violence
Sun, February 1, 2009 - 8:12 PMOne can only hope.
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Re: religion and violence
Mon, February 2, 2009 - 5:23 AMYour opinions, then, please:
How did this happen?
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Re: religion and violence
Sat, February 7, 2009 - 7:14 AMsure,,,civilizations change over time,,and even during a lifetime,,,
the faster the bible and the koran lose relevance then the
better the world will be from those goofballs that don't care
who else they drag into their dramas and pity party -
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Re: religion and violence
Sat, February 7, 2009 - 10:55 PMto see whole article:
home.utm.net/pan/milligan.html
The following excerpts from Professor Milligan's writings, placed in a topical format, elucidate his view of pantheism. (Initials in parentheses key references at the end of the article)
Definition of Pantheism
Pantheism is the view that the whole of reality is God. There are divergent pantheistic conceptions of God since people hold diverse views as to what reality is or is like. I use the qualifying term naturalistic ...Reality, naturalistically perceived, consists of pervasively interrelated entities of many modes and varieties...there is no bifurcation of reality, but one comprehensive realm of all that is, has been, and potentially might be. (ECR)
Since the earth is the part of the universe where we live, it is where God is most real and understandable to us. The earth is not a person, but it is alive. It is ever birthing. It is beautiful and majestic, a veritable infinity teeming with experience, phenomena, species, perils, disasters, fantastic patternings and relationships discernible by science and re-organized by artist's into movement, color, sound, and story. All this. (PV)
Pantheism is a theism, not in the sense of Personal Theism, Absolute Idealism or Gnosticism, but in the sense that it beholds reality in a worshipful as well as analytic mood, and expresses that in gratitude and devotion. (PM)
The oneness of God
Classical pantheisms generally emphasized the oneness of God in a monolithic, homogenous sense of uniformity. Neo-pantheism regards the oneness of things (God) as an interrelated multiplicity and diversity. This is a concept of oneness which conforms nicely with the nature of eco-systems as well as healthy communities of individuals and of nation-states. (ERC)
There is nothing intrinsically good in proclaiming that God is one. If that means you must accept my version of God or be my enemy, as it so often has, it leads to unmitigated evil. But if oneness means integrity, if it means flowing harmony enriched with dissonance, drama intensified with all manner of sub-plots, yet which nevertheless hangs together, it becomes challenging to attempt to conceive God or nature as one. (PV)
'God' terminology
In my lexicon these terms are interchangeable: God, cosmos, world, nature, universe, omnitudo realitatis. (ERC)
...the word "God" is not a required term for my religious philosophy. I have known too many people who have been alienated from religions of the establishment, and would not be caught dead using the word "God," but who were devout in their attitudes and lifestyle, to believe that use of the term is essential. For myself, I find it very difficult to express what I think and how I feel without indulging in God-talk. I know that the term God invites misunderstanding and misinterpretation, but then so do words like nature, universe, and religion. (PV)
The word "God" is a religious term. That is, it has connotations of reverence, honored heritage, an ecclesia or gathering in which the word has depth of feeling and meaning, and it is associated with a sense of the sacred or awesome. The word does not designate such feelings, but a reality which evokes such responses. (PV)
The existence of God
The classical proofs for the existence of God are now widely rejected. In their place are contorted arguments justifying the language by ignoring the plain question. When God is identified with the whole of reality there is no doubt of God's realness if anything at all exists. The advantage of pantheism is that inquiry focuses on what the nature of God is, as object of religious devotion. (ERC)
...a God that exists is superior to any God that exists only in somebody's understanding. If God is taken to be the fullness of all reality, including all its richness, regularities, subtleties, massiveness, and minute intricacies, there is no problem in proving the existence of such a god, unless you deny that anything is real. (PV)
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Re: religion and violence
Mon, February 9, 2009 - 10:05 PMI believe elimination of zealotry is the logical end, however, I also believe people are, for the most part illogical. Therefore, I doubt anytihing so wonderful as the total elimination of zealotry can ever take place. Human history is rife with examples of the rise to power (and subsequent fall) of various factions of religious zealots. I suspect there is something within the human psyche that drives a need to condemn, and I suspect also, that it can only be eliminated through education. Given there will always be those less educated than others, there will always be zealotry in some form or another.
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Re: religion and violence
Mon, March 16, 2009 - 8:52 PMI think that Hitchen's book: God Is Not Great, How Religion Poisons Everything should be *required* reading in all high schools (at grade 10), along with Harris': The End Of Faith (at grade 11), and Dawkins': The God Delusion (at grade 12). THEN, and only then, will the youth of this fascist country have even the slightest hope of making this country the shining beacon on the hill that it once was.
