Depression on PBS

topic posted Fri, May 23, 2008 - 7:28 PM by  libramoon
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Have you seen the documentary on Depression currently being aired on PBS? I watched last night and was appalled. Their first line of defense against cognitive/behavioral issues was these dangerous drugs, which they admitted they don't really understand but just experiment patient by patient taking advantage of confusion and misery. They even touted electroshock. Yet, when we saw the results in the lives of the people whose stories they were following, the best result was for a young black man who refused to take drugs and transformed his life by engaging with an older woman activist and working for a community support group, along with talk therapy to work out his early life traumas and resultant ptsd. The white well-off parents of depressed teens talked about how they hated to send their kids away for treatment and now the kids are back home and doing better on daily drug cocktails, but you can see what was destroying these kids was lack of intimacy in their lives so they always felt they had to play a role to be acceptable. Nothing at all was mentioned about complementary or alternative therapies, such as expressive therapies, though it was pointed out that regular exercise helps keep depression at bay. What they did keep emphasizing: "This is a disease and therefore treatable." I may have it wrong, but I didn't know there was treatement for every disease, even postulating these basically faulty software issues to be "disease", but I digress. Of course, the major point was that poppa Psychiatric Association knows best, and what we know is you gotta take your medicines, no matter what the ill-effects, because we have more medicines for those.

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  • Re: Depression on PBS

    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 10:50 PM
    "Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It's already happening"


    Most people would rather treat the symtoms and ignore the cause, it's the American way. Sad but true...
  • Re: Depression on PBS

    Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:23 PM
    Recent studies have shown that SSRIs are no more effective than placebo at controlling mild to moderate depression. The pharm/chem companies have taken a MAJOR blow to revenue in the last few months. Expect a LOT more of this kind of shit.
    • Re: Depression on PBS

      Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:41 PM
      I suffered from MAJOR depression for years, and tried every antidepressant under the sun. I finally found one that works: Wellbutrin (buproprian). It's not an SSRI, but, rather, it works on the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine. In just a few weeks, I went from brink-of-suicide despair to being able to be happy, being able to listen to music, being able to enjoy things, and having my sex drive back. Less than a year ago, I went from being certain that I wouldn't make it to my 40th birthday (which is one week from today), to seeing my future stretch out in front of me indefinitely, always with the possibility of happiness.

      The change was far too drastic and far too rapid for me to be able to credit anything else, except perhaps the EPA fish oil supplements I started taking at the same time. (And I don't feel particularly inclined to experiment on which one has more of an effect, although I strongly suspect it's mostly the Wellbutrin that's responsible for my recovery.)

      People slam antidepressants all the time, and often for good reason, but if the shit works, it works. You may say, "But your happiness isn't real, your ability to enjoy music and sex doesn't count, your desire to live your life is a sham." To which I would, of course, reply, "Bullshit."
      • Re: Depression on PBS

        Mon, May 26, 2008 - 2:24 PM
        "People slam antidepressants all the time, and often for good reason, but if the shit works, it works. You may say, "But your happiness isn't real, your ability to enjoy music and sex doesn't count, your desire to live your life is a sham." To which I would, of course, reply, "Bullshit."
        ----

        Of course what works for you works for you. There is no reason why you should not do what is best in your individual circumstance. I am objecting to all the forced/coerced/drugs first phenomenon. People's lives are being ruined because they are misdiagnosed, given harmful treatments (side effects are just some effects created by the mixture of the chemical and the body, not side at all) and made to feel disempowered by dependency. My take is that we should be given all the information, easily available and digestable, and allowed to choose. Kids should not be coerced into these kinds of treatments. A big part of that information we need is about the alternative and complementary therapies, and alternate ways of framing "symptoms."
      • Re: Depression on PBS

        Thu, May 29, 2008 - 9:58 AM
        Wellbutrin is an MAOI and I have respect for those. They actually work. I even took it for a couple months a decade or so ago.
        • Re: Depression on PBS

          Thu, May 29, 2008 - 12:42 PM
          Everything I've read says that Wellbutrin is *not* an MAOI. Do you have any references citing that Wellbutrin is an MAOI?
          • Re: Depression on PBS

            Thu, May 29, 2008 - 7:55 PM
            Never mind, I just looked. No wonder it works, it targets actually useful neurotransmitters for controlling mood. Anyway, it's the only "antidepressant" I've ever taken that actually does the job it's advertised to do.

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